The Daring Interview Series: Meet Gavin Aung Than

4/14 UPDATE: Congrats to William Chan! We’ll get your poster in the mail ASAP.

I started this interview series because I wanted to know more about the people who share their work with the world and inspire me to show up, be seen, and live brave.

Gavin Aung Than is one of those people. Meet Gavin!

Photo by Morganna Magee

Photo by Morganna Magee

Gavin Aung Than is a cartoonist based in Melbourne, Australia and creator of Zen Pencilsa cartoon blog which adapts inspirational quotes into comic stories.

Gavin launched Zen Pencils as a desperate, last-ditch attempt to turn his passion for cartooning into a career. He previously worked in the corporate design industry for many years which left him unfulfilled and finally quit his job and sold his house to fund his first year of full-time cartooning.

Since launching in 2012, Zen Pencils has been featured by The Washington Post, The Huffington Post, Slate, Buzzfeed, Gawker, Brain Pickings, Upworthy, Mashable and was named one of the top 100 websites of 2013 by PC Mag. A book collection of his best comics will be released later this year. I can’t wait! 

I fell head over heals for Gavin’s CS Lewis comic the minute I saw it (it’s below). I even printed it and hung it on my inspiration board. You can only imagine my surprise when someone sent me a link to his “Man in the Arena” comic beautifully mashed with my TED talk on shame. I think I actually screamed, “I’ve been ZEN PENCILED!” It’s also below!

I took a chance and emailed Gavin about doing an interview for the blog. He is as generous as he is talented.

Enjoy the interview and leave your name in the comments! We’re giving away one of his Daring Greatly posters!

1. Vulnerability is pushing the ‘post’ button every time I share a new comic with the world. I get really anxious on the morning of a new update and become a jittery mess of nervous energy. I put everything I’ve got into each new strip and the moment it gets ‘released’ into the big, bad, scary internet is frightening to me. “What if everyone hates it?” “Have I stayed true to the meaning the original author intended?” “Those cartoon feet I drew look terrible!” I’ve done nearly 150 Zen Pencils comics, but that anxiousness hasn’t gone away.

2. What role does vulnerability play in your work?  I never thought of myself as an artist. When I think ‘artist’ I picture the stereotypical tortured soul, wrestling their inner demons to create a haunting painting, heartbreaking poem, song or piece of art. A ‘cartoonist’ is often seen as the lowest rung on the artistic ladder – I mean, we just draw funny pictures! But the longer I’ve been doing Zen Pencils I’ve come to accept that I am expressing myself through my cartoons and influencing the way people see the world, which is what art is meant to do.

I believe art = vulnerability. They are one and the same. I share a little bit of myself in each piece of my work and the more honest and vulnerable I let myself be, the more the audience connects with it.

3. What value inspires you to show up even when you’re fearful and/or uncertain?  Gratefulness. I am so thankful and happy to be able to do what I’ve always wanted for a living, and I know how much work I put into making it a reality, that it always helps me push through times of uncertainty.

I have vivid memories of working my old office job where it felt like my creativity was being sucked out of every pore of my body, not to mention the shift work hours, trudging to the office on weekends and national holidays. Whenever I need that extra jolt of motivation, I just think back to those days. I’m most fearful of public speaking (I could learn a thing or two from you!), and thanks to Zen Pencils, I’m being asked to do it more and more. Whenever I get nervous I just tell myself to be grateful for the opportunity, because it’s a hell of a lot more exciting than what I did in my previous life.

Photo by Morganna Magee

Photo by Morganna Magee

4. What’s something that gets in the way of your creativity and how do you move through it?

My own inner gremlin telling me whatever I’m working on is utter garbage, which I think all creative people wrestle with. Having a regular update schedule means I can’t get too precious about the work, there’s no time to over analyze or self-criticize – I just get the comic done and try to improve each week.

As for actual things that get in the way of my output – online distraction! Internet, Twitter, Facebook, emails – all the usual culprits. It seems like my attention span has been rewired to the equivalent of a gnat with all this technology and information we get bombarded with. Whenever I would sit down to think of ideas, my mind would wander easily, get distracted and just wouldn’t focus. I’ve recently tried setting aside a day each week where I totally unplug, don’t use the internet at all and just try to work on new ideas. So far it’s been great, whether I have the willpower to stick to it is another matter.

5. It’s often difficult to share ourselves and our work with the world given the reflexive criticism and mean-spiritedness that we see in our culture – especially online. What strategies to you use to dare greatly – to show up, let yourself be seen, share your work with the world, and deal with criticism?

Funny you should ask this because I’m in the middle of a multi-part comic story that deals with precisely this issue of online hatred and ‘troll culture’. The more popular my site has become has meant that it’s a lot more open to criticism, which is fine with me – but some of the comments I get baffle me – just pure, hateful stuff. I deal with it by accepting that it comes with the territory, and that I’d much rather be ”in the arena” contributing and creating new work, than be one of those in the crowd.

7. Describe a snapshot of a joyful moment in your life.

It’s a sunny weekday (meaning there’s not too many people around) and I’m out having brunch with my wife and our two dogs. Or I’m in the shower and an idea hits me out of nowhere for a new story that I’ve been struggling with (for some reason it mostly happens in the shower).

8. Do you have a mantra, manifesto, or favorite quote for living and loving with your whole heart?

Well, we both share a love for Teddy Roosevelt’s “Daring Greatly” speech (it was one of the first quotes I adapted into a comic and I always recall it when I’m doubting myself, dealing with negative people online or just need to kick myself in the butt when I’m slacking off.  


Now, for some fun!

From James Lipton, host of Inside the Actor’s Studio

What is your least favorite word? “Smash.” – It’s an Aussie thing – people here say it when you’ve done well or going to do well. For example, “You smashed it Brené” translates to “You did great Brené” It drives me crazy!

What sound or noise do you love? Toast being buttered.

What sound or noise do you hate? My schnauzer’s ridiculously high-pitched bark.

What is your favorite curse word? F–k. The original and the best.

From JL’s Uncle Jessie Meme

A song/band/type of music you’d risk wreck & injury to turn off when it comes on the radio?  The commercial dance music that seems to dominate the charts these days.

Favorite show on television? I could try to show-off my pop-culture cred and say something cool like Breaking Bad, The Wire or Deadwood, which are all fantastic. But at the end of the day, for me, nothing will beat The Simpsons. 

Favorite movie? Being a child of the 90s, it would have to be Pulp Fiction. Totally blew my very impressionable teenage mind.

What are you grateful for today? My comics allowing me to connect with people like you.

If you could have anything put on a t-shirt what would it be? Just Do it. I think that’s already been done though. 

Favorite meal? Mohinga. It’s a traditional Burmese fish gravy with rice noodles and a variety of yummy condiments.

A talent you wish you had? Definitely something music related. My grandfather was a jazz guitarist and I would go to my grandparents’ house everyday after school to wait for my parents to finish work. There were guitars everywhere. Apparently my grandfather tried to teach me to play … but I was more interested in watching Bugs Bunny cartoons. Seems like my path was already chosen.

Favorite song/band? “Don’t Let Me Down” by Lennon/The Beatles

What’s on your nightstand? The new Jim Henson biography. I’m hoping to find a good quote or story from it to turn into a comic. It’s taking a long time to read because I keep going on YouTube to watch the Muppets clips mentioned in the book!

What’s something about you that would surprise us? I’m a web cartoonist but I don’t read many webcomics.

From Smith Magazine’s Not Quite What I Was Planning: Six Word Memoirs from Writers Famous and Obscure 

Your six-word memoir: Finally beat the system by scribbling.


If you’re like me and you’ve fallen in love with Gavin’s work, please visit his website, Zen Pencils.

You can also follow Gavin on Twitter at @zenpencils or on Facebook here.  Click here for his Tumblr. And Instagram! 

Leave your name in the comments and one lucky winner will get his AWESOME Daring Greatly poster!

Thanks, Gavin!

The Gifts of Imperfection eCourse Part 2 (and a live-tweet this Sunday)

fotolia_crayonWe’re going old school with crayons this time! Join us for Part 2 of The Gifts of Imperfection eCourse. Class is in session on April 3rd and we’d love for you to create with us.

We’ve received several questions about the course so I thought it might be helpful to do a quick FAQ. I also want to let you know that I’m live-tweeting BOTH Life Class episodes this Sunday, 3/30, on OWN. My twitter handle is @brenebrown. Here are the times:

6PM ET: Oprah & Brené Brown: Vulnerability and Daring Greatly
7PM ET: Oprah & Brené Brown: Living Bravely

Here’s are the most asked question about our new eCourse:

1. Do I need to take Part 1 first?

No. The Part 2 lessons are their own unique journey to help us put into practice wholehearted elements like creativity, play and rest, and meaningful work. All you have to do is read the first 5 guideposts from The Gifts of Imperfection within the first week.

2. What’s the class like?

You know when you read something and it makes sense but it’s hard to actually start practicing what you’re learning? Well, that’s exactly how I felt (and still feel) about what I learned from the research. So, to push the learning from my head to my heart, I developed creative exercises that make us think about how we can integrate wholeheartedness into our lives. Each week is a new set of exercises, intentions, and integration practices. You can also read more details about the course and register here. 

3. Do you have a syllabus?

Yes! These are the chapters from The Gifts.

4/3: Guidepost #6 – Cultivating Creativity: Letting Go of Comparison

4/10: Guidepost #7 – Cultivating Play and Rest: Letting Go of Exhaustion as a Status Symbol and Productivity as Self-Worth

4/17: Guidepost #8 – Cultivating Calm and Stillness: Letting Go of Anxiety as a Lifestyle

5/1: Guidepost #9 – Cultivating Meaningful Work: Letting Go of Self-Doubt and “Supposed To”

5/8: Guidepost #10 – Cultivating Laughter, Song, and Dance: Letting Go of Being Cool and “Always in Control”

5/15: The Wholehearted Revolution

4. Can I go at my own pace?

Sure. The only thing that’s live are the Q+A sessions and they’re recorded so you can watch anytime. I think your class experience will be better if you participate in the course on a weekly basis and don’t get more than one or two weeks behind. HOWEVER, as we all know – life happens. We’ll give you extended time to catch up and re-watch.

The course will run live from April 3, 2014 to May 19, 2014. It will then be available for an additional 3 weeks until June 9, 2014 at midnight ET. After that it will no longer be accessible to students.


5. What’s the weekly schedule?

The schedule is changing for this course. Based on the feedback from the first two courses, we’re giving folks more time to play and create over the weekends.

Thursdays: I set the weekly intention for the week and give you the reading assignment from The Gifts of Imperfection. Oprah also shares her unique perspective on each lesson via video.

You will also receive access to exclusive downloads, which you can print out and/or share via social media —the weekly intention and key definitions from the book. Oprah’s video is approximately 4 minutes. The reading assignments take around 20-30 minutes.

Fridays: I share the week’s lesson, as well as videos with me (and some special guests) demonstrating that week’s creative assignments. The videos will be viewable on the course site along with written instructions for the art-journal assignments. You will be able to access these videos anytime throughout the course.

Saturdays: I put each week’s lesson into practice by sharing the DIG Deeps. You’ll get advanced assignments with prompts for journaling, and the option to share your answers with all of us  through the class comments area for each lesson.

Mondays: You will receive a recap e-mail that will remind you of all the lesson materials in that week’s lesson so you can catch up on anything you missed.

We’ll have three live one-hour Q+A sessions where I answer your questions. If you can’t join us live, these are recorded and you can watch any time!

6. Is the course available to folks outside the US?

Yes! It’s easy to register and participate from anywhere in the world.


The beautiful Tracey Clark

I hope you join us. You can read more here and register. The earlybird pricing ends at midnight EST on Friday, 3/28.

 It’s been a life-changing experience for me and for many of the students who joined us for the first part. You don’t need to be an artist or even comfortable with creativity – all of us struggle with these issues and it’s amazing what we can overcome as a community. I know “revolution” sounds a little dramatic, but I see it happening. I see friends and siblings and couples taking the course together. I see parents doing it with their adult children who live thousands of miles away. Folks are doing it in their organizations. This is trailblazing! This is how we change the world – one crayon and one defiant “I am enough” at a time.

Click here for more details on the eCourse.