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April 28, 2020

Brené with Sue Monk Kidd and Jen Hatmaker on
Longing, Belonging and Faith

In this episode, I talk to two women who provide wise counsel for those of us who have struggled with belonging and faith (and still do on occasion). Sue Monk Kidd and Jen Hatmaker are dissident daughters, brave leaders, and the very best companions for a contemplative journey.

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Sue Monk Kidd

Sue Monk Kidd HeadshotSue Monk Kidd’s debut, The Secret Life of Bees, spent more than 100 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list, has sold more than 6 million copies in the U.S., was turned into an award-winning major motion picture and a musical, and has been translated into 36 languages. Her second novel, The Mermaid Chair, was a #1 New York Times bestseller and was adapted into a television movie. Her third novel, The Invention of Wings, an Oprah’s Book Club 2.0 pick, was also a #1 New York Times bestseller. She is the author of the acclaimed memoirs The Dance of the Dissident Daughter, a groundbreaking work on religion and feminism, and the New York Times bestseller Traveling with Pomegranates, written with her daughter, Ann Kidd Taylor. She lives in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.

Jen Hatmaker

Jen Hatmaker headshotJen Hatmaker is the author of 12 books, including the New York Times bestselling “Of Mess and Moxie: Wrangling Delight Out of This Wild and Glorious Life,” “For the Love: Fighting for Grace in a World of Impossible Standards,” and “7: An Experimental Mutiny Against Excess.” Jen is also the creator and happy host of the award-winning For the Love! Podcast with Jen Hatmaker, delighted curator of the Jen Hatmaker Book Club and sought-after speaker who tours the country every year speaking to women. She and her husband, Brandon, founded the Legacy Collective and also starred in the popular series “My Big Family Renovation” and “Your Big Family Renovation” on HGTV. Jen is a mom to five and a zealous resident of Austin, Texas, where she and her family are helping keep Austin weird.

Sue Monk Kidd Shares 5 favorite songs. Click to listen now on Spotify. Jen Hatmaker Shares 5 favorite songs. Click to listen now on Spotify.

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Show Notes

The Book of Longings is a novel Sue Monk Kidd was born to write—a powerfully imagined, beautifully composed, fully realized story of a young woman who realizes her passion and potential against great odds. The novel takes up many of the signature themes of Kidd’s fiction: feminism, the bonds between women, the search for self, and the quest for one’s voice and purpose in life. In particular, this novel explores the longings and “largeness” within women, addresses the importance of women’s stories and voices, and encourages readers to grapple with the inherent sexism in society and western religion.

Fierce, Free and Full of Fire: The Guide To Being Glorious You  Jen Hatmaker provides readers with a detailed roadmap to reconciling their inner convictions and outer presentations.Stuck in people-pleasing or fear, many women hide and pretend, then end up sidelined in their own lives. But what they want is to be brave, to claim every gift, dream, quirk, and emotion inside, to stop performing and start living. Throughout the book, Jen dives into tough questions and provides thoroughly researched psychological tools as she explores the ripple effects of patriarchy, conflicting messages women receive, body image, loneliness and why asking for help is so hard.

Sue Monk Kidd: When the Heart Waits

Sue Monk Kidd: The Dance of the Dissident Daughter

Sue Monk Kidd and Ann Kidd Taylor: Traveling with Pomegranates

Sue Monk Kidd: The Secret Life of Bees

Sue Monk Kidd: The Mermaid Chair

Thomas Merton: Essential Writings

Sue Monk Kidd: The Invention of Wings

Judy Chicago exhibit, Brooklyn Museum of Art

Sarah Grimke (1792-1873) and Angelina Grimke Weld (1805-1879) – Learn more here.

Dr. Marcus Borg

Shirley Valentine

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